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Post  Ccpenguin8 on 26/10/2013, 12:57 am

It's two months to Christmas, hooray! 

That means, of course, that we have lovely chocolate Advent Calendars to look forward to, and the Holiday Party..but most importantly, Father Christmas! (Father Christmas = Santa)

Do you believe in him or not? I sure do!

Perhaps it's too early to say this, but Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to those of you who don't celebrate it! Smile

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Post  Breakthrough on 26/10/2013, 3:36 am

I do not believe in him.. Yeeaah.
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Post  Ringo604/Thewotter604 on 26/10/2013, 4:06 am

I don't believe in Santa and never will. I'm Jewish, so I celebrate Hanukkah, aka 8 days of presents. Also, it's around Thanksgiving this year, which makes it even better. Very Happy

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Post  Ccpenguin8 on 26/10/2013, 12:33 pm

Breakthrough wrote:I do not believe in him.. Yeeaah.
I do, there's just no proof eitherway. For instance - there's no proof to confirm or deny that an invisible race of benevolent mice ruled the Earth before mankind, but you can believe that if you want.

Ringo604/Thewotter604 wrote:I don't believe in Santa and never will. I'm Jewish, so I celebrate Hanukkah, aka 8 days of presents. Also, it's around Thanksgiving this year, which makes it even better. Very Happy

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Post  King Kane on 27/10/2013, 8:10 pm

Ccpenguin8 wrote:
Breakthrough wrote:I do not believe in him.. Yeeaah.
I do, there's just no proof eitherway. For instance - there's no proof to confirm or deny that an invisible race of benevolent mice ruled the Earth before mankind, but you can believe that if you want.
PROOF:

No fat man can come down a chimney, give you presents, and steal your food.

Also, where the hell is he getting coal? We're running out of it! GIVE IT TO BP!

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Post  Breakthrough on 27/10/2013, 10:13 pm

King Kane wrote:PROOF:

No fat man can come down a chimney, give you presents, and steal your food.

Also, where the hell is he getting coal? We're running out of it! GIVE IT TO BP!
That right there ^
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Post  totelyawsome on 28/10/2013, 12:13 am

I do not. I do not really think a fat man with as white beard fly's across the world with flying reindeer comes down my chimney with a bunch of presents.

p.s Sorry CC your the only one who thinks he is real.

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Post  Maygirl2 on 28/10/2013, 9:54 am

Nah. I stopped believin when I was like 5 or something




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Post  Ccpenguin8 on 28/10/2013, 12:37 pm

King Kane wrote:PROOF:

No fat man can come down a chimney, give you presents, and steal your food.

Also, where the hell is he getting coal? We're running out of it! GIVE IT TO BP!
Who says HE comes down the chimney, LOL? He could just fly over the rooftop, chuck the presents down the chimney, send an elf to collect the food,  and fly onto the next house. Smile

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Post  Mango Smango on 28/10/2013, 10:17 pm

I still beleive CC! I just don't tell other people lol. And my grandma kinda blew it for me a few years ago when she said "you know I hid all those presents!" and I'm just like -_- wow good job XD. But I still tell myself he's real XD.

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Post  Breakthrough on 29/10/2013, 2:14 am

Ccpenguin8 wrote:
King Kane wrote:PROOF:

No fat man can come down a chimney, give you presents, and steal your food.

Also, where the hell is he getting coal? We're running out of it! GIVE IT TO BP!
Who says HE comes down the chimney, LOL? He could just fly over the rooftop, chuck the presents down the chimney, send an elf to collect the food,  and fly onto the next house. Smile
If you think, there are 7.046 billion people on earth, with roughly 4 people in every house, that makes 1.7615 billion houses to go to in one day. (24 hours) Sure he can go against time and stretch that to 47 hours or whatever, but anyway lets do some math:
24 Hours -- 1.362475163213171e-8 hours per stop. (.00000001362475163213171)
1440 Minutes -- 8.174850979279024e-7 minutes per stop. (.0000008174850979279024)
86400 Seconds -- 4.904910587567414e-5 seconds per stop. (.00004904910587567414)
(In a Normal Day)
For that double nonsense you just do 2X (for the above). So before you blink your eyes in the next 5 seconds, "Santa" would've visited more than 102,000 houses. (20,400 a second)

So it brings the question and statement..Do/You believe in magic?/.
And.. 20,400 * 86,400 seconds = 1,762,560,000 = # of houses. Maths = Correct
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Post  Gotchee on 29/10/2013, 6:35 pm

*Drum roll......*

Aaaaaand

Santa doesn't exist. The cold hard truth right there.

And my darkest secret: I pretend I still believe in him so I get more presents. Heheheheh.

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Post  Ccpenguin8 on 31/10/2013, 10:43 am

@Mango - That's nice to know. At least I'm not the only one. Smile

@Breakthrough - You completely blew me away with those figures, which I am going to recalculate myself later this afternoon to prove or disprove their accuracy. 

He can indeed go against time - but not in the way you're thinking. It is a well-known fact that if you are to travel at 99.9999r% of C (the speed of light in a vacuum) then time does effectively slow down inside the "bubble" that is travelling at that speed. This is because, as you may know, that kind of speed is the universe's natural speed limit. 

For instance, if you were to take a train with a track stretching across the Earth, 1 hour on that train would be equivalent to 100 years on Earth.

Let's say for a moment that the reindeer food which we sprinkle on our lawns on Christmas Eve (well, some of us do in the UK, anyway) actually causes a charged chemical reaction inside Ruldolph's nose which has otherwise inexplicable magical properties, thereby allowing them to travel at 99.9999r% of C, bending space-time and slowing down time inside their "bubble" (Santa, his reindeer and elves, and his sleigh).

For a moment, let's say that my facts were true. In those circumstances, it would be possible -- theoretically -- for Santa to travel the world on his mission to deliver presents. 

Having appropriately answered the mathematics of the situation, in my opinion, I shall now move onto the notion that parents and relatives place the gifts there. Firstly, in my case, that's not possible because I've always been suspicious of that, and so when I write my letters to Santa, I seal and post them privately, without giving my parents the chance to look - and yet Santa has never failed to deliver anything reasonable that I've asked for.

Secondly, onto some proof: I read a very interesting quote the other day, which went like this..."Of course Santa delivers the presents. The only time he stops is when he thinks you don't believe in him anymore, so then he discreetly hands a note to your parents asking them to deliver your presents until he finishes his investigations." 

As for my belief in magic and Rudolph's magical properties - yes, I do believe in magic, but not in the conventional sense. I don't believe in illusions, card tricks and sleight-of-hand trickery, but I do believe this: Millennia ago, in my country, it is a historical fact that many hundreds of people were arrested and, sadly, executed on the charge of witchcraft and/or wizardry. If people were so scared in those days as to execute all these people, perhaps they were actually "the real deal" so to speak. The reason we don't have any of these people now is obvious - they were all arrested in the Middle Ages.

Santa Claus is descended from Saint Nicholas, who is undisputedly real and carried out the practice of what Santa does now over in Norway or Sweden, I think. St Nicholas lived centuries ago, so let us suppose that he met one of these people who were accused of witchcraft/wizardry and in exchange for some kind of favour, Rudolph's nose was enchanted in the way that I suggested earlier, thereby allowing him to travel at 99.9999r% of C.

I hope that you have enjoyed my lecture, entitled "Why Santa Claus is Real" and I will be giving other lectures soon that include "Why the Easter Bunny is Real". Razz

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Post  Breakthrough on 1/11/2013, 12:15 am

We all know he isnt real. But thats a very long defensive letter.. maybe you should be "Santa"s political adviser Razz.


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Post  Ccpenguin8 on 2/11/2013, 11:02 am

Why, thank you. I very much enjoy my role as CPF's PR spokesman. Razz 

I genuinely do believe he is real. If you were to accept all the facts I set out in my previous post as true, then theoretically it would be possible for Santa to deliver presents every Christmas. Of course, you can believe what you like, and I have never seen him so I can't prove that he actually does it, but that's what I believe based upon the facts that I mentioned earlier. Smile 

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Post  totelyawsome on 2/11/2013, 3:15 pm

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 so when I write my letters to Santa, I seal and post them privately, without giving my parents the chance to look - and yet Santa has never failed to deliver anything reasonable that I've asked for.
Your parents could just know you very well and know what to buy you. Also where does santa get all the presents? Either he is a robber or he simply buys the stuff.Leading to the following question,Where does he get the money. He would have to of had to get a job or he stole it.Which in this whole world he just flys across the world handing out presents. I just gave you some proof.

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Post  Ccpenguin8 on 3/11/2013, 1:57 pm

That brings us onto a very important point: the economics of the situation. How, you say, could someone -- even if the physics of the situation are plausible, as I set out earlier -- afford to finance the whole operation? Good question!

Here, in point form, are some possibilities:


  1. Charity funding. There are already organisations and charities which are getting involved in the Christmas spirit. One such example is NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defence Command (if my research is correct), who defend the skies above the United States and Canada. Except on Christmas Eve, when they track Santa's progress across the globe. They receive an awful lot of commercial backing and payment to undertake this role, and their whole operation relies on the fact that Santa will not fail to deliver presents each year. I'm sure they could part with a cheque or two if it means supporting Santa -- and therefore supporting their work as Santa trackers.
  2. Inheritance. Santa Claus is, as I previously explained, descended from Saint Nicholas who was actually Turkish (my apologies for mistakenly calling him Swedish or Norwegian). In the times of St. Nick (as I shall call him to save time), saints were well respected and probably had quite a high place in society, implying that he was at least slightly well-off. Given that Santa doesn't really do much for the other 364 days of the year, it's possible that he still has some inheritance money tucked away.
  3. Rent. Well, expeditions to the North Pole have to stay somewhere, don't they? And so do all of Santa's helpers et cetera. It's quite possible that these people live on Santa's land either temporarily or permanently, and I'm sure they'd be kind and honest enough to pay reasonable rent where rent is due.
  4. Barter. Barter is essentially trading one item for another. Perhaps instead of using money, when Santa buys materials to make presents, he could strike a bargain with the merchants and sellers, so that instead of paying them, their children could get more/better presents (provided that they were reasonably well behaved, of course) or maybe a free ride in the sleigh (a true once-in-a-lifetime experience, which is made even more valuable by the fact that people pay £100,000 to fly to the edge of the Earth's atmosphere).

Also, Santa makes presents himself (except when specific brands are requested), so that would save money. FACT: A £5.00 T-Shirt only costs about £1.20 to make. 

Just some ideas. Smile

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Post  King Kane on 15/2/2014, 1:55 am

Ccpenguin8 wrote:It's two months to Christmas, hooray! 

That means, of course, that we have lovely chocolate Advent Calendars to look forward to, and the Holiday Party..but most importantly, Father Christmas! (Father Christmas = Santa)

Do you believe in him or not? I sure do!

Perhaps it's too early to say this, but Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to those of you who don't celebrate it! Smile

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